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美国博主奇遇记:坐肯尼亚蒙内铁路仿佛回到中国,与肯尼亚人用普通话交谈

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美国博主奇遇记:坐肯尼亚蒙内铁路仿佛回到中国,与肯尼亚人用普通话交谈
 
本文译自Youtube,原标题:A Ride on China's Train in Kenya
 

 
 
“这感觉太魔幻了(surreal),这车站的一切,都和中国的完全一致。我去过太多这种站了, 上海、广州、北京……所以有种‘梦回中国’的错觉(déjà vu)。”
 

外网的旅行博主@Sabbatical今天(11日),发布了坐火车从内罗毕去蒙巴萨的视频。曾在中国待过6年的他,觉得一切都是那么熟悉。
 
“从蒙巴萨去内罗毕,最好的交通方式是火车。这条新的蒙内铁路正好是中国修建的。”@Sabbatical介绍。
 
打车来到这个2017年投入运营的车站,他看到了和中国火车站一模一样的售票大厅,一切都无比熟悉。
 

-《观察者网》
 

 
Lyn oluoch
Well, this is something you don't see every day, an American and a Kenyan having a conversation in Mandarin lol.

好吧,这可不是你每天都能看到的,一个美国人和一个肯尼亚人在用普通话交谈,哈哈。



Eric Mwash
Chinese or not, this is one project many Kenyans love to use.

不管是不是中国人建的,这都是很多肯尼亚人喜欢使用的一个项目。


 
&r01d Tox
I'm very surprised by how fast Kenyan Gov't can moves when they see opportunities.... Seems like Kenyans don't wait around for money to come to them.... They will jump over the fence to get it.

我对肯尼亚政府在看到机遇时的行动速度感到非常惊讶.......看起来肯尼亚人不会等着钱自己送上来......他们会跳过栅栏去抓住它。


 
Macau Sidetracked
As an American living in China and equally interested in Africa, the conversation you had with the Uber driver was fantastic.  Uber Drivers are the best.

作为一个生活在中国、对非洲同样感兴趣的美国人,你和Uber司机的对话非常精彩。Uber司机是最棒的。


 
Paul Z
I enjoyed listening to your Uber driver. He was very articulate and thoughtful.

我喜欢听你的Uber司机说话,他口齿伶俐,思维缜密。



Nathan Anderson
That train is about as fast as Amtrak.

那列火车差不多和美国铁路公司的列车一样快。



HaHa! Animal
This is Chinese experience: put politics, law, national security under the control of the Chinese themselves. Cooperating with other countries in the economy. China old saying: Do not give it to other people if you do not like it. So China will never interfere with the internal affairs of other countries.

这是中国人的经验:把政治、法律、国家安全置于中国人自己的控制之下,在经济上与其他国家合作。中国有句老话:己所不欲,勿施于人。所以中国决不会干涉别国内政。



Tata 1
I wish you could have gone with the morning train.. the view of elephants, zebras in Tsavo National Park is breathtaking, Plus the view of the ocean on the uplifted railway line as you approach Mombasa Terminus is something else.

我真希望你能和早班火车一起出发....Tsavo国家公园里的大象、斑马等景物令人叹为观止,在接近蒙巴萨终点站时,你还可以在隆起的铁路线上看到另一番海洋景色。



Patrick Borin
Honest conversation in the taxi, I respect that.

你们在出租车上的谈话很坦诚,致以我的敬意。



ᴋɪᴛᴄʜᴇɴ ᴋᴏɴɴᴇᴄᴛ®
That taxi driver is more knowledgeable than 90% of Americans i know.

那个出租车司机的知识比我认识的90%的美国人都渊博。



Ian's Gadget
The Uber driver is on point. The Chinese mind their business. For them its about business and business alone. So I think the best way to deal with them is to mind your business, and make sure to mine from the relationship as much as possible while it lasts.

Uber司机说得对,中国人只想管好自己的事。对他们来说,这是生意而且只是生意。所以我认为最好的处理方法就是管好你自己的事,并确保在这段关系的持续期间尽可能多地从中获利。



Fine Mercury East Africa
If you keep watching this channel,  you will notice that most street level people are quite informed and can easily articulate issues of the day.

如果你坚持看这个频道,你会注意到大多数街头人物都是见多识广的,可以很轻松表达当前的问题。



super vip
Although this driver has lived in China, he may not know that the Chinese government’s foreign policy for more than 70 years is like this...

虽然这个司机在中国生活过,但他可能不知道中国ZF 70多年的外交政策是这样的......



Dino Adamakis
Wow not only is he showing us something that our eyes will probably never see in life as far as areas in the world that we will probably never get to but Tommy is also teaching us. Amazing stuff. You are enlightening anyone that will see this. Innovations far and beyond our control thank you sabbatical for all you do once again!

哇,他不仅向我们展示了一些我们的眼睛在生活中可能永远看不到的东西,以及我们可能永远无法到达的地方,而且Tommy (UP主)同时也在教导我们。太棒了。你正在启发任何一个会看到这个视频的人,再次感谢您在休假期间所做的一切!


 
icyliciousblue
the most Chinese in that station is the LED screen. those red lines, pretty much all of it is exactly what they have here

在那个车站里,中国元素最多的是LED屏幕。那些红表格几乎和中国的一样。


 
Afonso De Albuquerque
He speaks in broken Swahili to the Taximan and the Taximan replies, "What time is your train..", in perfect English. � � �
And then the Taximan starts to speak in Chinese!!! Does it get any better than that??? Anyone still afraid to travel to Africa?

他用蹩脚的斯瓦希里语与出租车司机交谈,出租车司机用完美的英语回答:“你的火车是几点的……”。

 

然后出租车司机开始说中文!!!还有比这更有趣的吗???还有人害怕去非洲旅行吗?



Lucas
"Without infrastructure, there will be no investors.
Without investors, there will be no jobs for youth"
 -wisdom quote

“没有基础设施,就没有投资者。

 

没有投资者,就没有适合年轻人的工作”

 

-智慧语录


 
alex chui
This was thrilling to watch and you captured the journey well. Now my biggest problem is the whining nature of Kenyans, we are too cynical of everything. Yes, governments are seldom liked anywhere in the world even when they do great things for their populations. The SGR was constructed in  a record 3-4 years, from Mombasa to Nairobi, a distance of 500km. It was to replace the snail pace train otherwise called the Lunatic express that was just an eyesore and a drainer for the exchequer. The SGR was constructed to haul containers and transport people quickly obviously to leverage on efficiencies, economy etc. Much is talked of the cost of SGR but mostly it is just politics. Everything has a price but I choose to look at the bigger picture. SGR is a wise investment and it will pay for itself in the long run since it is a long term project.

这真让人激动,你很好地把握住了这次旅行。现在我最大的问题是肯尼亚人爱发牢骚,我们对一切都太愤世嫉俗了。是的,世界上任何地方都很少有人会喜欢政府,即使他们为本国人民做了很多好事。

 

蒙内铁路的建设历时3-4年,从蒙巴萨到内罗毕距离达500公里。这条铁路的修建是为了取代蜗牛速度的旧火车,也就是所谓的疯狂快车(Lunatic express),它财政部的眼中钉,肉中刺。

 

建造蒙内铁路是为了快速运输集装箱和运输人员,显然是为了提高铁路运输效率和经济性等。很多人都在谈论蒙内铁路的成本,但这主要是政治问题...一切都是有代价的,但我选择着眼于全局。蒙内铁路是一个明智的投资,最终它将赚回成本 ,因为它是一个长期项目。



samwel agwata
As much as I appreciate your optimism, you cannot downplay the importance of people who are skeptical about the costs. You and I know how much corrupt our country is, and if such opposition stops we won't have a country by tomorrow.

尽管我很欣赏你的乐观态度,但你不能低估那些对成本持怀疑态度的人的重要性。你我都知道我们的国家有多腐败,如果这种反对停止了,这个国家明天可能就没了。


 
LWM
@samwel agwata  Love the constructive arguments on both sides! I have a great feeling about our nation's future if we keep this kind of discourse going

@samwel agwata 我喜欢你们双方的建设性的论点!如果我们继续这样的讨论,我对我们国家的未来怀有很大的希望。



Ray Cui
if the European or us company built the railway,it will cost more money and more time。
in fact, there is corruption in China and all around the world,but you must make money although there always be thief

如果是欧洲或美国公司来修建这条铁路,将花费更多的钱和时间。

 

事实上,中国以及世界各地都有腐败,尽管总有小偷,但你仍然要想办法赚钱。



super vip
And why does China use Chinese workers for foreign aid? Everyone knows that the cultural knowledge and vocational skills of workers in some African countries have not yet reached the construction requirements. For example, if a railway uses all the local labor force, not only the construction time has doubled, but the cost of funds is also increased.  There will be a huge increase, but African countries will also face more severe funding difficulties...

为什么中国要用中国工人来进行对外援助?大家都知道的,一些非洲国家的工人的文化知识和职业技能还没有达到建设要求。例如,如果一条铁路在修建过程中使用的所有的劳动力都是当地的,不仅施工时间会翻一番,而且资金成本也会增加。总体成本会有巨大的增长,非洲国家也将面临更严峻的资金困难.......



G njoroge
They aren’t fond of people screwing their jobs. Also worth noting that while they brought a good number of their workers from China, 25 000 Kenyans were employed at various capacities

他们不喜欢人们把工作搞砸。同样值得注意的是,虽然他们从中国带来了大量的工人,但仍有25000名肯尼亚人以不同的身份在工地上就业。



LEE Ben
Infrastructure cost in Africa is significantly higher due to you need to import everything and political risk. The cost will be much higher if built by European countries.

非洲的基础设施成本要高得多,因为他们所有的东西都需要进口,而且还存在政治风险。如果由欧洲国家建造,成本将高得多。



Lei Yue
I think Chinese companies are still the cheapest contractors African countries can find

我认为中国公司仍然是非洲国家能找到的最便宜的承包商。



ChemistRabbit Dr克米兔
Holy shit! Everything in the railway system looks just identical to China here. The only difference is they were operated by Kenyans. LMAO

天啊!铁路系统里的一切看起来都和中国一模一样,唯一不同的是他们是由肯尼亚人操作的。哈哈哈哈。



super vip
Since the establishment of the PRC government in 1949, China has been implementing the principle of non-interference in other countries, whether it is free aid to African hospitals and schools, or loans to African countries’ roads, railways or airports...

自1949年中国ZF成立以来,中国一直贯彻不干涉他国内政的原则,无论是对非洲医院和学校的免费援助,还是对非洲国家公路、铁路、机场的贷款.......



sun carus
High-speed rail requires expensive investment and maintenance costs. China's high-speed rail network itself is a loss-making business. It requires government funds to maintain. However, the high-speed rail network has improved the economic development of the entire country. That has changed the game. Just like if a human's body has strong muscles, it needs strong blood vessels and heart. If it has no strong muscles, too strong blood vessels and heart are harmful. It depends on the economy of the entire country. If your country can create much more value by saving time, it is worth building faster railways. If not, high-speed railways are not practical, just a luxury. Africa has potential, and the government must think about how to develop.

高速铁路需要昂贵的投资和维护成本。中国的高铁网络本身就是一个赔本生意,它需要政府资金来维持。然而,高铁网络改善了整个国家的经济发展,它改变了游戏规则。就像如果人的身体有强壮的肌肉,它就还需要强壮的血管和心脏一样。如果它没有强壮的肌肉,过于强壮的血管和心脏是有害的。这取决于整个国家的经济状况,如果你的国家能通过节省时间创造更多的价值,那么建设更快的铁路是值得的。否则,高速铁路就不实用而只是一种奢侈品。非洲有潜力,它们的政府必须考虑如何发展。



kibo6539
Compare this to $1.095 trillion U.S. national debt owns by China. That is what should worry you! And the fact that everything in the US is made from China including your underwear!

与之相比,中国持有的美国国债为1.095万亿美元。这才是你应该担心的!事实上,美国所有的东西都是中国制造的,包括你的内衣!



LTY
Wow. Thanks for the video. Although I consider myself reasonably informed, the images of the trains and the train station still blew me off - for a moment I forgot it was in Africa and thought it was in China. I guess we are all heavily biased by a lot of selective news reports.
 
As to the Taxis guy, I think he is also biased in some way too. Intuitions aren't always correct. Serious academic research shows that Chinese companies on average hire 85% to 90% of their workforce from locals. About the no-string attached funding philosophy of China, it's perhaps an unfortunate reality, but I'd like to add two points: 1) The IMF approach, though sounds noble, in reality leads to endless deadlock and stagnation. It's said perfect is the enemy of good. Perhaps this saying applies here. 2) Chinese investments have mechanisms to avoid corruption. For example, Chinese loans very often do not go through the governments of the host countries. They go directly to the companies carrying out the infrastructure projects. This by no means will root out corruption completely, but it certainly helps.

哇!谢谢你的视频。虽然我认为自己见多识广,但火车和火车站的图像仍然让我大吃一惊——我一时忘了这是在非洲,我还以为这是在中国。我想很多有选择性的新闻报道让我们产生了很大的偏见。

 

至于那个出租车司机,我想他在某些方面也存在偏见。直觉并不总是正确的,严肃的学术研究表明,中国公司平均85%至90%的员工来自当地。关于中国不附带任何条件的融资理念,这也许是一个不幸的现实,但我想补充两点:

 

1)IMF的做法虽然听起来很高尚,但实际上会导致无休止的僵局和停滞。有句话说“完美是好的敌人”(perfect is the enemy of good),也许这句话在这里适用。

 

2) 中国的投资有避免腐败的机制。例如,中国的贷款往往不通过东道国政府,他们会直接去找执行基础设施项目的公司。这虽然无法彻底根除腐败,但肯定会有帮助。



eston williams
I Enjoyed the train ride !! U made me feel more comfortable about taking the train the next time I go to Kenya. It looks more comfortable than Easy Coach ! My ass hurt for days after that trip ! Have fun , and be careful, I’m already looking forward to your next video in Mombasa

我喜欢坐火车!!你让我觉得下一次去肯尼亚坐火车会更舒服,它看起来比简单的班车更舒服!上次旅行后我屁股疼了好几天!玩得开心,小心点,我已经在期待你在蒙巴萨的下一个视频了。



Afonso De Albuquerque
Those railway tracks were first put down by cheap Indian and African labour. Indians were brought in by the British from India.(not from the US, lol). Their plight was captured in the movie, "The Ghost and the Darkness" staring Val Kilmer.

这些铁路最初是由廉价的印度和非洲劳工修建的。印度人是英国人从印度带来的(不是从美国,哈哈)。他们的苦难在电影《幽灵与黑暗》有刻画。



Thorsfury
We used to take the old train in the 80's, it was like the Orient Express, it was an amazing experience. I remember looking out the window watching the train snake round corners with children running alongside. When you got to Mombasa you felt you really had travelled to a different place as the land slowly transformed with palm tress and white sands. Luckily we had a sleeper, but third class was just benches and must have been a real hardship

我们曾经乘坐过80年代的旧火车,就像东方快车一样,那是一次奇妙的经历。我记得我看着窗外,看着火车在拐角处蜿蜒而行,旁边有孩子们在奔跑。当你到达蒙巴萨时,你会觉得你确实到了一个不同的地方,那里的土地慢慢地变成了棕榈树和白沙。幸运的是,我们有一个卧铺,但三等舱只有长凳。



Tom Huang
I don't know what the driver did in China for 15 years but still has no idea about the basic of Chinese foreign policy: not interfering in other countries internal affairs. If you want China to build the infrastructure in that short period of time and fix the local political problem, you're expecting too much,  and from the wrong guy. African should have their own opinion regarding their relationship with China from their own experience, not just blindly copy what the bias western media made up.

我不知道出租车司机在中国15年干了些什么,他仍然不知道中国外交政策的基本原则是:不干涉别国内政。如果你想让中国在这么短的时间内建设基础设施并解决当地的政治问题,那你的期望太高了,而且是从错误的人那里得来的。非洲人应该根据自己的经历对自己与中国的关系有自己的看法,而不是盲目照搬西方媒体的偏见。



Believe in good
There are enough countries that like to pay attention to the affairs of other countries and like to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries. As an economic partner, China does not need to do these things.
Even after a decade, when China becomes the world's largest economy, China will not try to become a new colonizer. They do not like to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries, nor do they like to manage people other than the Chinese. Chinese are businessmen.   And I don't think Africans want to find them another slave owner. Isn't it the best choice to have an economic partner like China?

有足够多的国家喜欢关注别国事务,喜欢干涉别国内政。作为经济伙伴,中国不需要做这些事情。

 

即使十年后,当中国成为世界上最大的经济体时,中国也不会试图成为一个新的殖民者。他们不喜欢干涉别国内政,也不喜欢管理中国人以外的人。中国人是商人。我认为非洲人也不想再给他们找一个奴隶主。有中国这样的经济伙伴不是最好的选择吗?




 



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