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中国向巴基斯坦交付最大最先进的军舰,网友怎么看?

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中国向巴基斯坦交付最大最先进的军舰,网友怎么看?
 
本文译自巴基斯坦防务论坛,原标题:China delivers largest, most advanced warship to Pakistan


 

RZeeshanK FULL MEMBER
Pakistan Navy’s first Type 054A/P Frigate, PNS TUGHRIL has been commissioned at Hudong Zhonghua (HZ) Shipyard, China. Ambassador of Pakistan to China, H.E. Mr Moin Ul Haq graced the occasion as Chief Guest.
 
PNS TUGHRIL is 1st of 4 x Type 054 Frigates being constructed for Pakistan Navy. The Ship is a technologically advanced and highly capable Platform with enormous surface to surface, Surface to air and underwater fire power besides extensive surveillance potentials. The Ship holds the capability to simultaneously execute number of naval warfare missions in a highly intense muliti-threat environment. PNS TUGHRIL is equipped with state-of-the-art Combat Management and Electronic Warfare system alongwith modern self-defence capabilities.
 
Speaking on the occasion, the Chief Guest underline that commissioning of PNS TUGHRIL ushers a new chapter in Pak – China friendship that has matured through the tests of times and remained steadfast in all domains. He added that in the context of overall security paradigm of the region, TUGHRIL Class Frigates will strengthen Pakistan Navy’s capabilities to respond to maritime challenges to ensure seaward defence, maintain peace, stability and balance of power in Indian Ocean Region. The Ambassador also praised the concerted efforts made by CSSC, CSTC, CSDDC, HZ Shipyard and PLA (Navy) for the landmark achievement by timely delivery of the well-equipped and potent Frigate despite global pandemic.
 
The Vice Party Secretary and Director of the Board CSSC Mr. Du Gang also applauded the timely construction of PNS TUGHRIL while emphasising that commissioning of ship is a major milestone and a testimony of Pak-China long–lived friendship; as both countries are bound by the affinity of trust, compassion and commonality.
 
While presenting account of activities, the head of Pakistan Navy Mission overseeing construction of 054A/P Frigate, Commodore Rashid Mehmood Sheikh highlighted that PNS TUGHRIL being a multi-mission capable Frigate will form the mainstay of Pakistan Navy Fleet while bolstering Pakistan Navy’s maritime defence capabilities.
 
The ceremony was attended by high level dignitaries from BOMETEC, OIMC, SASTIND, PLA (N) and CSSC besides Chairman of CSTC & HZ Shipyard and Commander of PLA (N) Shanghai Naval Base alongwith prominent figures of Pakistan community in China.

巴基斯坦海军第一艘054A/P型护卫舰PNS TUGHRIL号已在中国沪东中华造船厂交付。巴基斯坦驻华大使Moin Ul Haq阁下作为首席嘉宾出席了交付仪式。
 
PNS TUGHRIL号是中国为巴基斯坦海军建造的4艘054型护卫舰中的第一艘。该舰是一款技术先进、性能强大的水面作战平台,拥有强大的对舰、对空和反潜能力,以及出色的监视潜力。该舰配备了最新的反舰、反潜、防空武器,最先进的作战管理和电子战系统,以及现代化的自卫武器。巴基斯坦发布的声明称,054A/P型护卫舰可以在高强度、多种威胁的对抗环境中同时执行多项海战任务。
 
在发言时大使强调,PNS TUGHRIL号的交付开启了中巴友谊的新篇章,这一友谊已经在时间的考验中成熟,并在所有领域保持坚定。他补充说,在该地区整体安全范式的背景下,PNS TUGHRIL号护卫舰将加强巴基斯坦海军应对海上挑战的能力,确保其海上防卫,维护印度洋地区的和平、稳定和力量平衡。大使还赞扬了各相关造船厂和中国人民解放军(海军)的共同努力,他们在全球疫情大流行的情况下及时交付了装备精良、能力强大的护卫舰,取得了里程碑式的成就。
 
中船集团党委副书记、董事杜刚对“TUGHRIL”号的及时建成表示赞赏,并强调该船的投产是中巴友谊的重要里程碑和见证,两国因信任、同情和共性而紧密相连。





 
Dalit ELITE MEMBER
A friend and a brother that Pakistan can rely on with eyes closed.

中国是巴基斯坦能够闭上眼睛依靠的朋友和兄弟。


 
ARMalik SENIOR MEMBER
Thanks BeijingWalker. But you know what, there is this Guy here called Akh1112 , who says that he has personally spoken to "Chinese Experts" and these experts think that 054A is a "Low Level" Frigate which even the Chinese DO NOT want!! Can you believe this guy? :lol:

谢谢楼主,但是你知道吗,这里有一个叫Akh1112的家伙,他说他亲自和“中国专家”交流过,这些专家认为054A是一艘连中国人都不想要的“低水平”护卫舰!!你能相信这个家伙吗?哈哈。


 
Pakistan Space Agency SENIOR MEMBER
Masha'Allah.
 
Thank you China.
 
If Pakistan were to buy a warship from the US, they would've humiliated, insulted, placed conditions and delayed the delivery (If delivered at all) but this is not the case with the all weather friend.
 
Enemy wonders how does bankrupt Pakistan keeps buying these big ticket items.

谢谢中国。
 
如果巴基斯坦从美国购买军舰,他们会羞辱、侮辱、设置条件并推迟交付(如果交付的话),但全天候的朋友不会做这样的事。
 
连敌人们都想弄明白破产的巴基斯坦是如何不断购买这些高价商品的。


 
MH.Yang FULL MEMBER
“ARMalik said:
Thanks BeijingWalker. But you know what, there is this Guy here called Akh1112 , who says that he has personally spoken to "Chinese Experts" and these experts think that 054A is a "Low Level" Frigate which even the Chinese DO NOT want!! Can you believe this guy?”
 
China has 32 type 054A in active service and plans to manufacture 52 ship.

“ARMalik:
 
谢谢楼主,但是你知道吗,这里有一个叫Akh1112的家伙,他说他亲自和“中国专家”交流过,这些专家认为054A是一艘连中国人都不想要的“低水平”护卫舰!!你能相信这个家伙吗?哈哈。”
 
中国有32艘054A型在役,总共计划建造52艘。


 
Shotgunner51 RETIRED INTL MOD
“ARMalik said:
Thanks BeijingWalker. But you know what, there is this Guy here called Akh1112 , who says that he has personally spoken to "Chinese Experts" and these experts think that 054A is a "Low Level" Frigate which even the Chinese DO NOT want!! Can you believe this guy?”
 
Yeah that's hilarious bro! But indeed many are ignorant about 054A's role in PLAN, which is dedicated for anti-sub warfare, do they expect a fancy AESA radar & HQ-9 gonna hunt enemy SSN or SSBN? In fact PLAN is ordering more 054A for the job, it will remain the primary ASW asset until next gen ASW warship is ready. As for 054AP it's gonna play different role in PN, hence the massive customization specific for PN doctrine.

“ARMalik:
 
谢谢楼主,但是你知道吗,这里有一个叫Akh1112的家伙,他说他亲自和“中国专家”交流过,这些专家认为054A是一艘连中国人都不想要的“低水平”护卫舰!!你能相信这个家伙吗?哈哈。”
 
那太搞笑了,兄弟!但事实上,确实有很多人对 054A 在解放军海军中的定位一无所知(专用于反潜战),他们是否在期望一个花哨的有源相控阵雷达(AESA)和HQ-9 去猎杀敌方的攻击型核潜艇(SSN)或弹道导弹核潜艇(SSBN)?事实上,解放军海军正在为这项任务订购更多的054A,在下一代反潜作战(ASW)战舰准备就绪之前,它将仍然是反潜作战的主力。至于054AP,它将在巴基斯坦海军中扮演不同的角色,因此它是针对巴基斯坦海军的要求专门定制的。


 
Trango Towers ELITE MEMBER
Why is everyone thanking China.
Yiu do realise we pay for these ships. Nothing is free? China is extremely hard to do business with.

为什么每个人都在感谢中国。
 
你应该知道我们为这些船付了钱的,有什么是免费的吗?与中国做生意是极其困难的。


 
Beast ELITE MEMBER
Don't be ungrateful. There can be delays or hicups on delivery plus jerking up prices like Russian did to India. Not every military supplier is just reputable as China.

不要忘恩负义。你和别人做生意,交货可能会出现延误或终止,此外还有可能的价格上涨,就像俄罗斯对印度所做的那样。并非所有的军事装备供应商都像中国那样值得信赖。


 
Trango Towers ELITE MEMBER
I am grateful to Allah only.
And yes delays happens and price rises happen too. Look at CPEC so when u take a blinded notion that China doesn't practice business with Pakistan you are wrong.
China is our good friend and it goes both way but there is a perception they give us everything for free and we can get anything we like. This is plain wrong. Shahid lateef has said this many times about jf17 program and how difficult it is dealing with the Chinese. We have to be realistic and accept facts.

我只感谢真主。
 
是的,延误发生过,价格上涨的情况也时有发生。看看中巴经济走廊(CPEC),如果你盲目认为中国可以不与巴基斯坦做生意,那你就错了。
 
中国是我们的好朋友,这是双向的,但给人一种错觉,似乎他们给我们的一切都是免费的,我们可以得到我们喜欢的任何东西。这显然是错误的。Shahid lateef曾多次谈到JF17项目以及和中国人打交道有多困难。所以我们必须实事求是,接受事实。


 
Beast ELITE MEMBER
I think there is just too many misinfo about Pakistan dealing with Chinese. You can't deny there is some pro US element during JF-17 program period.
 
There are something you can't get it even u got the money or simply money is not enough.
 
Don't blame CPEC on China side when safety of our workforce is even hard to gurantee on Pakistan soil.

我认为关于巴基斯坦与中国人打交道的错误信息太多了,你无法否认在JF-17项目期间存在一些亲美因素。
 
有些东西即使你有钱也买不到,或者仅仅是买不起。
 
当我们的员工在巴基斯坦的土地上甚至连安全都很难保证时,不要把中巴经济走廊(CPEC)出现的问题归咎于中方。


 
Trango Towers ELITE MEMBER
I think u are seeing what I am saying.
 
Yes China is a good friend. But business is business.
 
Good friendships isn't always perfect.
Jf17 nearly died due to American pressure and the traitor zardari

我想你明白我的意思了。
 
没错,中国是一个好朋友,但生意就是生意。
 
好的友谊并不总是完美的。
 
由于美国的压力和叛徒扎尔达里,JF-17项目差点夭折。

 

AZADPAKISTAN2009 ELITE MEMBER
Pakistan-China cooperation for Pakistan Navy , much needed boost
The launch ceremony done very Innocently and quietly needed some sort of Big TV coverage
considering it is now the most formidable Pakistani Ship in fleet
 
These Type054 Pack a solid Punch , and Firepower to enhance Navy's posture at Sea , maintaining presence at sea and also defending itself without need for any Air wing

巴基斯坦海军急需加强巴中合作。
 
交付仪式做得非常简陋和低调,我们需要一些大的电视报道。
 
因为它现在是巴基斯坦舰队中最强大的军舰。
 
这些054型护卫舰具备强大的火力,可加强巴基斯坦海军在海上的立场,维持海上存在,并在不需要任何空军联队的情况下进行自卫。



Goritoes SENIOR MEMBER
I said it in another thread that in other countries, people discuss the systems, technologies and arnments in ships but in Pakistan peeple fight over names, give a ship an Arab name, Persian Shia got angry, give them a Turkish name some Pakistani's who doesn't even live in Pakistan get angry. Our first and foremost Identity is that we are Muslim, Pakistan is today but in next 100 or 200 years there might not be a Pakistan but Islam will exists, there might come a day when there will be no country or the world but the religion will remain, and so does our identity, as for Hindu's/Christians/Sikhs Pakistan's they are more then welcome to identify themselves as Pakistani first as they don't have a Quran or Rasool Allah who put us (All Muslim) together like a single body, body parts can differ from each other in appearance or functions but they are still Part of the same body.

我在另一个帖子中说过,在其他国家,人们会讨论船上的系统、技术和装备,但在巴基斯坦,人们会为船的名字而争吵。给船取一个阿拉伯名字,什叶派穆斯林会生气,给它取一个突厥语名字,一些甚至不在巴基斯坦生活的巴基斯坦人都生气了。我们的首要身份是我们是穆斯林,巴基斯坦现在还在,但在未来的100年或200年中,巴基斯坦这个国家可能就不存在了,但伊斯兰教仍将存在。可能有一天,世界上没有了国界,但宗教将继续存在,我们的身份也将如此。至于印度教徒/基督教徒/巴基斯坦锡克教徒,他们更愿意首先将自己定位为巴基斯坦人是因为他们没有把我们(所有穆斯林)联系在一起的古兰经或真主。


 
maverick1977 SENIOR MEMBER
5 pages on name argument.. no wonder Pakistan is in a state where it is, reflects minuscule mindset sadly.
How about talk in detail on how this ship will be deployed in various roles, mix of sub surface role, as a surface combat only, as surfsce combat with JF17s,… so much to discuss about its role.
Can someone highlights its posturing in Arabian sea or even in indus ocean. i am mode interested in power projection in indian ocean with new subs and This frigate

一个名字争论了5页,怪不得巴基斯坦是现在这幅样子。
 
详细讨论一下关于这艘军舰将如何部署在不同的角色中,比如混合水下作战,仅负责为水面作战,与JF17搭配进行水面作战如何?…关于其角色能讨论的太多了。
 
有人能谈谈它在阿拉伯海甚至印度洋的角色定位吗?我对新潜艇和这艘护卫舰在印度洋的力量投射很感兴趣。


 
iLION12345_1 FULL MEMBER
“Salza said:
Great development and in time. So is the crew already trained or training is in progress in China? Or the ship is heading towards Karachi as we speak ? I think it will perhaps take an year to accustomed with every thing on the board and its overall integration in PN doctrine.”
 
Already inducted in Karachi I believe, crew training was already going on prior to induction, as some crews are being repurposed from retired ships. Still, it’ll take a few months for it to be at peak capability.

“Salza:
 
巨大的进展,而且来得很及时。船员是否已经接受过培训或者正在中国进行培训?也许在我们说话这会,这艘船正在驶向卡拉奇?我认为可能需要一年时间来适应船上的每一件装备以及完成其在巴基斯坦海军中的整合。”
 
我相信,在卡拉奇已经在职的船员的培训在入职前就已经开始,因为一些船员正在从退役的军舰上重新调整其岗位。不过,这需要几个月的时间才能达到最佳状态。


 



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关键字:中国向巴基斯坦交付军舰,054AP 专题:南亚责任编辑:管理员
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  • 之间

    他们只会感谢“真主”。

    2021-11-13 16:13:31 回复

  • 海棠依旧

    文化有其局限性,这是没办法的,宗教国家的人热爱宗教,这是真的没办法

    2021-11-12 16:17:51 回复

  • 彼岸花

    onlookor : “我只感谢真主。瞧,知道为啥前三十年的对外援助搞不下去了吧。要是没有印度,这就是又一个越南。 彼岸花:不要听风就是雨,评论里绝大多数巴铁对都是非常感激中国的,所谓感谢真主的貌似只有一个,且可能是阿三假扮的。角色扮演挑拨离间这种活,三哥可没少干。

    还有,谁说前三十年对外援助搞不下去?
    前三十年对亚非拉的援助从来没有停止过,根据国际关系和实际需要,对某些国家的援助规模
    或许会减少甚至暂停,但总体的援助没有停止。中国是直到改开之后,DXP了为了向美日纳投名状,才中止了对外大规模援助,由此导致了一个严重后果,那就是——中国后三十年一直孤家寡人,在国际上几乎没有多少朋友。好在最近十余年,上面已经深刻认识到了这个弊端,开始加大对外援助力度,如今才逐渐稍有起色。

    2021-11-12 14:32:00 回复

  • onlookor

    “我只感谢真主。瞧,知道为啥前三十年的对外援助搞不下去了吧。要是没有印度,这就是又一个越南。

    2021-11-12 09:22:32 回复

  • js123

    米帝和三哥的水军还是挺多的

    2021-11-11 20:32:15 回复

  • 虚数区间

    所以说绿教是扶不起的阿斗,除了运气好脚下的土地有资源,刚好能靠地吃饭有什么成就吗?只会沉溺于过去的辉煌中的国家,是不会有未来的。

    2021-11-11 19:51:11 回复

  • 月亮的眼睛

    为名字争论,不如用编号,谁都没意见。

    2021-11-11 19:25:42 回复

  • xdr311

    小巴海军目前只有近距点防空能力,面对印度超音速反舰弹毫无招架之力,054AP的入役能够帮其撑起区域防空伞,意义重大,而且中国给小巴的军售基本都是接近成本的友好价,里面那个拎不清的如果希望抛掉感情因素纯粹就事论事的话,那么请花几倍的报价与时间慢慢等待白人严苛审核后的猴版恩赐吧

    2021-11-11 18:04:43 回复

  • 教徒,一群不可理喻,无廉耻,无恩义的生物,他们被打被杀是主的使者在惩罚他们,他们却去报复主的使者,为大不敬

    2021-11-11 16:55:52 回复

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