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Youtube：中美造船能力 200:1，中国造船产能让美国绝望，美国网友热议在日本和韩国建造军舰之前景本文译自Youtube，原标题：China Out Builds the US 200 to 1 in Ships! | So, Why Not Build our Navy in Japan and Korea?
If World War II taught us one thing, it's that shipbuilding capacity is essential. Even in the era of drones, satellites, and long-range missiles, the ability to replace military and commercial ships faster than they are sunk is essential.
如果说第二次世界大战教会了我们一件事，那就是造船能力至关重要。即使在无人机、卫星和远程导弹的时代，能够以比击沉速度更快的速度补充军用和商业船只的能力也是至关重要的。These days large enemy shipyards can be located by satellites precisely, if they are not on Google map already. They won't have much time to build ships as in WW2. Cruise missiles, ICBM, drones, precise guidance ammunitions will be landing on those places soon enough.
如今，大型的敌方造船厂即使没有标注在谷歌地图上，也可以通过卫星精确定位，它们不会像二战时那样有太多时间造船了，巡航导弹、洲际弹道导弹、无人机、精确制导炸弹将很快落在这些地方。China has not only the edge on capacity, but also cost due to advantage not in just labor cost, but also logistics. For the cost of one Burke, they can build 2 055s
This is the story. Why does the mainstream media not pick up this story. I just do not understand how such a critical issue can be overlooked. Bless you for not only raising the issue but continuing to tell the tale.
事情就是这样，为什么主流媒体不报道这件事？我只是不明白这样一个关键的问题怎么会被忽视。感谢你不仅提出了这个问题，而且详述了这件事。I think outsourcing in the short term while rebuilding domestic industrial capacity is a good idea. I don't really think we have another way to keep up our numbers in the next 20-30 years, but I'm not really a military expert by any measure lol.
Commercial ships can and will be used to support military logistics. And if history teaches us anything, it's the logistics that wins big wars in the end.
商船可以而且将被用于支持军队后勤。如果说历史教会了我们什么的话，那就是后勤保障最终会赢得大战。Thank you Sal. The US Navy is a hot mess and I don't think the leadership knows how to fix it! As for the US shipyards they are monopolies with no real competition. If they can charge 3 times as much as they should for ships, deliver late and often with crappy quality then why wouldn't they? Its not like they are real consequences especially that the DoD, department of the Navy and congress have been sleeping at the wheel!
Many years ago I was in the US Navy, if our department didn’t spend all the money from last quarter our budget for the next quarter was cut. Rest assured we spent it all.
While this is a legitimate line if inquiry, I will say this: it's hard to reinvigorate your industrial base if the build contracts go overseas.
虽然这是一条合理的发展路线，但我要说的是：如果建造合同流向海外，你将很难重振你的工业基础。Looking at recent photo of China People's Liberation Army Navy pushing out two new frigates, side by side, from construction shed was pretty sobering
one of china's shipyards builds more ships than all of the shipyards in the united statesThere is a photo showing 5 052D destroyers built all together.
It gets even more sobering when you see how fast they can make the bases and facilities related to shipyards. Took them maybe 3 years tops (concurrent) to add carrier support facilities, update multiple shipyards to make carriers and cruisers, and make new large intel and amphibious ships
当你看到他们能以多快的速度建造与造船厂相关的基地和设施时，你会更加清醒。他们花了大约3年的时间增加了航母支持设施，更新了多个造船厂以建造航母和巡洋舰并（同时）建造了新的大型情报侦查舰和两栖舰。Great video! I've always thought that the recent aggressive behavior of the Chinese and Russian navies involving near misses and collisions with the USN is the simple fact that they know how long it will take our ships to get repaired.
The Russians would lose the repair battle every time now. I would recommend checking out the Admiral Kuznetsov Carrier and Kirov battle cruisers. The Chinese on the other hand, that is a very interesting idea
俄罗斯人现在每次都会输掉维修战，我建议你去看看库兹涅佐夫海军上将号航母和基洛夫号战列巡洋舰的情况。另一方面，对于中国人来说，这是一个非常有趣的想法。I am a shipwright in the San Francisco bay area. It is so many of us retired, but we were willing to donate our time to Bring back the shipyards, make the Navy strong again. Maintenance is easy, but majority of us know how to build ships to get back to our country.
我是旧金山湾区的一名造船工人，我们中有很多人都退休了，但我们愿意贡献出我们的时间来恢复造船厂以使海军再次强大起来。维护很容易，但我们大多数人都知道如何建造船只来让造船业重返我们的国家。Korean shipbuilding companies are currently in a great boom. Docks where you can build ships now are full until 2027. And we are suffering from a chronic labor shortage. Korean shipbuilders no longer build low-cost bulk carriers or oil tankers. Only high-value high-tech ships are selected and built. The technology used by Korean shipbuilding companies to build ships is state-of-the-art and uses the latest construction methods. Last year, the latest construction method was used to build the Aegis destroyer, and it holds a world record enough to launch the ship in just 8 months. The dry dock drying method was also developed for the first time by a Korean shipbuilder and made a warship.
韩国造船公司目前正处于蓬勃发展的时期。在2027年之前，现在可以建造船舶的船坞都已排满，我们正长期遭受着劳动力短缺的困扰。韩国造船厂不再建造低成本的散货船或油轮，它们只挑选并建造高价值的高科技船舶。韩国造船公司用于造船的技术是最先进的并使用了最新的建造方法。去年，宙斯盾驱逐舰采用了最新的建造方法，创造了仅用8个月就下水的世界纪录。干船坞干燥法也是韩国造船公司首次开发并用于建造军舰的。@artoriastheabysswalker3356If we were to outsource the building of US Navy ships to foreign countries, regardless if they're our allies or not, means whatever remains of the industry here in the United States is never coming back with how inconsistent and wishy-washy our government has been over the past few decades. You can’t train or build up that skilled workforce if there's no work available in your country. People don't go to the US for shipbuilding when they got China, South Korea, and Japan who will do it for cheaper.
如果我们将美国海军舰艇的建造外包给外国，无论它们是否是我们的盟友，这都意味着美国造船业的任何剩余部分都将永远不会回流，因为在过去的几十年里，我们的政府过于反复无常。如果您所在的国家/地区缺乏工作机会，您就无法培训或培养出熟练的劳动力。当中国、韩国和日本的造船成本更低时，人们不会去美国造船。Sal, Some unbelievable great conversations and thoughtful ideas being posted by your viewers / subscribers on this topic. Now if only the USN could get on the same page with a meaningful way forward from where we are at today.The thing that's really scary is the prediction of a war with China not to far down the pipeline, that should scare the wilikurs of a few that are in high places knowing that the industry can't turn on a dime like a Metal Shark boat that's being supplied to Ukraine.
真正可怕的是预测与中国的战争就在不久的将来，这应该会吓到一些身居高位的人，因为他们知道这个行业无法像供应给乌克兰的铁甲舰那样灵活。US economists have won more Nobel prizes than anybody, whether on the supply side or demand side. I think everyone more or less agrees with the notion of a multiplier effect: when one dollar leaves the economy, the loss hurts disproportionately. Even the mighty US economy can only afford the world's largest DoD budget by producing virtually everything inside the US.
无论是在供给方面还是在需求方面，美国经济学家获得的诺贝尔奖比任何人都多。我认为每个人或多或少都同意乘数效应的概念：当一美元离开经济时，其损失会造成不成比例的伤害。即使是强大的美国经济也只能通过在美国国内生产几乎所有的东西来承担世界上最大的国防预算。US companies outsourced all their electronics, pharmaceuticals, and appliances manufacturing to China and now they regret it. Military vessels are on a different level. Outsourcing your navy means you will no longer have an industrial capacity if Japan, South Korea, or whoever is attacked and their shipyards are shut down. The shipyards in Korea and Japan are easy targets for hypersonics, so it's definitely out of the question.
美国公司将其所有的电子、药品和电器制造外包给了中国，现在它们后悔了。军舰处于不同的层次，将海军外包意味着如果日本、韩国或任何国家受到攻击并且它们的造船厂被关闭时，你将不再拥有工业能力。韩国和日本的造船厂很容易成为高超音速武器的目标，所以这绝对是不可能的。Outsource it to India. It would be much cheaper and faster. Recently US naval ships have stated getting serviced at our bases. Plus we have surplus trained and skilled manpower working in our Shipbuilding facilities such as LNT, Mazagon Shipbuilders, Garden Reach Shipbuilders
可以外包给印度呀，印度造船更便宜、更快。最近，美国海军舰艇表示将在我们的基地接受维修。此外，我们的造船厂（例如LNT、Mazagon造船厂、Garden Reach造船厂）拥有过剩的训练有素且技术熟练的劳动力。My dad was a ship builder, very skilled with 40+ years knowledge but struggled to get a decent job in Scotland and not long after he retired the company he worked for went bust. We have lost this skill set in the Western world outsourcing to other countries for cheap labour. Very shortsighted.
我的父亲是一名技术娴熟的造船工人，虽然拥有40多年的专业知识，但他在苏格兰很难找到一份体面的工作，退休后不久他工作过的公司就破产了。在西方世界，当我们将廉价劳动力外包给其他国家时就已经失去了这些技能。真是目光短浅。The scale of Korean shipyards exceeds that of the United States.Yes, that's why it seems that Korea is number one in the world in shipbuilding.Low price, good quality, quick drying.....what's wrong with America? US Aegis destroyers are more than three times more expensive than South Korean Aegis destroyers with the same performance.And the problem is that the US has a much longer shipbuilding period.I do not know. US will perish if you go on like this
我不知道发生了什么，但如果继续这样下去，美国会亡国。Japan is out of the game in ship building which is left with China & S.Korea. Japan is holding a very small percentage in ship building and does not have the heavy equipment like those of China & S.Korea to build very big ships! As a matter of fact China is now the top ship builder in the world take 65% of the global market and still growing!
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